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		<title>By: Luz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty, I was referring to freedom of speech for Filipinos  living abroad  in democratic societies, mostly in the USA  and in the European Union where freedom of speech is garranteed. The Philippines is said to be a democratic country but clearly some Government members seem to have a problem with foreignrers exercising that right.  Unfortunalely some have a problem with even  Filipinos speaking their minds.   But I do take your point about where they live abroad. Mostly in dubious places like the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty, I was referring to freedom of speech for Filipinos  living abroad  in democratic societies, mostly in the USA  and in the European Union where freedom of speech is garranteed. The Philippines is said to be a democratic country but clearly some Government members seem to have a problem with foreignrers exercising that right.  Unfortunalely some have a problem with even  Filipinos speaking their minds.   But I do take your point about where they live abroad. Mostly in dubious places like the Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luz, that&#039;s not accurate.   It depends on where the Filipino is as to the rights they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luz, that&#8217;s not accurate.   It depends on where the Filipino is as to the rights they get.</p>
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		<title>By: Luz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigners living in the Philippines have little or no civil or legal rights yet they are expected to pay their taxes in full to the Government. Filipinos living abroad are granted full rights of free speach.  An imbalance somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigners living in the Philippines have little or no civil or legal rights yet they are expected to pay their taxes in full to the Government. Filipinos living abroad are granted full rights of free speach.  An imbalance somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know your not pulling it out of the thin air.  There is a activist group regarding the safety of journalist out of New York City.  It holds the PI as one of the most dangerous places for journalist.  If you take on the wrong people here, they will have you killed.

However, the State, if they can prove it or be forced to prosecute because of strong evidence that becomes public  they will prosecute.  Filipino do have freedom of speech.  Laws are broken to abridge those freedoms certainly.  

No, I never read the Soviet Unioin&quot;s constitution and I can say I don&#039;t regret that.  LOL  I find it hard to believe.  I gotta wonder about the source of the translation.  The government of the USSR had groups to make   you shut up.  You&#039;re right, that&#039;s totally different.  That was open state controlled speech.

Your free speech in the USA is often limited for the same reasons, just usually not by those with political power.  When it happens in the PI or in the USA, it is outside the law.

The government will not put a Filipino in prison for saying the &quot;wrong thing.&quot;  Most Philippine officials would not have a Filipino killed for saying the wrong thing.  Well, unless they just wouldn&#039;t shut up. :)

&lt;b&gt;My article was refering to limited speech imposed by the government on expats and tourist.  When I said Filipino had free speech, I was clearly speaking about law.&lt;/b&gt;

Not a bad point to bring this out, that is the murdered journalist.  That does happen.  Unless people talk, its really hard to bring two men on a motorcycle wearing helmets to justice.  That&#039;s the way these things are often handled.  Not just with journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know your not pulling it out of the thin air.  There is a activist group regarding the safety of journalist out of New York City.  It holds the PI as one of the most dangerous places for journalist.  If you take on the wrong people here, they will have you killed.</p>
<p>However, the State, if they can prove it or be forced to prosecute because of strong evidence that becomes public  they will prosecute.  Filipino do have freedom of speech.  Laws are broken to abridge those freedoms certainly.  </p>
<p>No, I never read the Soviet Unioin&#8221;s constitution and I can say I don&#8217;t regret that.  LOL  I find it hard to believe.  I gotta wonder about the source of the translation.  The government of the USSR had groups to make   you shut up.  You&#8217;re right, that&#8217;s totally different.  That was open state controlled speech.</p>
<p>Your free speech in the USA is often limited for the same reasons, just usually not by those with political power.  When it happens in the PI or in the USA, it is outside the law.</p>
<p>The government will not put a Filipino in prison for saying the &#8220;wrong thing.&#8221;  Most Philippine officials would not have a Filipino killed for saying the wrong thing.  Well, unless they just wouldn&#8217;t shut up. <img src='http://heyjoe.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>My article was refering to limited speech imposed by the government on expats and tourist.  When I said Filipino had free speech, I was clearly speaking about law.</b></p>
<p>Not a bad point to bring this out, that is the murdered journalist.  That does happen.  Unless people talk, its really hard to bring two men on a motorcycle wearing helmets to justice.  That&#8217;s the way these things are often handled.  Not just with journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well by law you may be correct. Did you ever read the old Soviet Constitution they had that right too. So it being on paper doesn&#039;t mean much if you have fear of retribution by exercising it. I am not trying to compare the Philippines to the old Soviet Union it is not even close for sure. I am just making the point that just because it is written doesn&#039;t mean you really get it as advertised. 

The point being there are most likely a number of Filipinos who do not speak their mind on major issues precisely for this reason. So if you can only say what you feel when it agrees with what prominent people say or you risk an untimely demise it&#039;s not really freedom at all is it. 

I am not just pulling this out of thin air the deaths of news reporters and activitists are a fact.They have even been reported in Philippine newspapers. I am not trying to tell them how to run their country that is their business to do but the happenings in this regard have not gone unnoticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well by law you may be correct. Did you ever read the old Soviet Constitution they had that right too. So it being on paper doesn&#8217;t mean much if you have fear of retribution by exercising it. I am not trying to compare the Philippines to the old Soviet Union it is not even close for sure. I am just making the point that just because it is written doesn&#8217;t mean you really get it as advertised. </p>
<p>The point being there are most likely a number of Filipinos who do not speak their mind on major issues precisely for this reason. So if you can only say what you feel when it agrees with what prominent people say or you risk an untimely demise it&#8217;s not really freedom at all is it. </p>
<p>I am not just pulling this out of thin air the deaths of news reporters and activitists are a fact.They have even been reported in Philippine newspapers. I am not trying to tell them how to run their country that is their business to do but the happenings in this regard have not gone unnoticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Tom, I am not incorrect.  There is no law that restricts the right of Filipino to speak that I know of.  Yes there are murders of many people that speak and make someone angry.  That in no way changes that Filipino have a right to free speech.  I do not support vigilanty justice for this very reason.  I prefer due process and I was of course speaking of the law.  You can get killed in Memphis Tn. for something you say.  If you don&#039;t believe that, take a stole down Lamar Avenue spewing out hate message from the Klan or even blow your horn at the wrong person.

You as an visitor cannot put down or disagree with any policy of the Philippine government.  It has nothing to do with what you feel.  You can feel it all you like but it just isn&#039;t true and if you do so, you can be thrown out of the country for it.  That&#039;s the law.  Its clear and there is no doubt about it.  I doubt the government has the time or interest in dealing with these type of things on a daily basis but if you hack off the wrong person with what you say, then you&#039;ll find yourself blacklisted.

I saw a wonderful article the other day by a Filipino about the recent controversy over the banning of bikini contest in Cebu.  He as a Filipino has free speach and can say what he said.  I however cannot say it.  He has free speech.  I do not nor dod you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Tom, I am not incorrect.  There is no law that restricts the right of Filipino to speak that I know of.  Yes there are murders of many people that speak and make someone angry.  That in no way changes that Filipino have a right to free speech.  I do not support vigilanty justice for this very reason.  I prefer due process and I was of course speaking of the law.  You can get killed in Memphis Tn. for something you say.  If you don&#8217;t believe that, take a stole down Lamar Avenue spewing out hate message from the Klan or even blow your horn at the wrong person.</p>
<p>You as an visitor cannot put down or disagree with any policy of the Philippine government.  It has nothing to do with what you feel.  You can feel it all you like but it just isn&#8217;t true and if you do so, you can be thrown out of the country for it.  That&#8217;s the law.  Its clear and there is no doubt about it.  I doubt the government has the time or interest in dealing with these type of things on a daily basis but if you hack off the wrong person with what you say, then you&#8217;ll find yourself blacklisted.</p>
<p>I saw a wonderful article the other day by a Filipino about the recent controversy over the banning of bikini contest in Cebu.  He as a Filipino has free speach and can say what he said.  I however cannot say it.  He has free speech.  I do not nor dod you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree that people from other countries should not come into the Philippines and participate in demonstrations and protests against the government of the Philippines. Or any other country for that matter. 

I do feel that people should be able to discuss ongoing events and topics. As long as they are not trying to instigate trouble. Unfortunatley Rusty you are incorrect Filipinos to not really have freedom of speach either. Ask the families of reporters and local activists who have been salvaged or have just disappeared. Who did it? I don&#039;t know but a number of these have been in the paper and even the international community has noticed as evidenced by the low ratings given to the Philippines in several recent international ratings lists.

The Philippines has a creative and industrious population. With good guidance they could be the leading country in Asia. Indeed they once were. Hopefully they will someday have the vision to make it true again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree that people from other countries should not come into the Philippines and participate in demonstrations and protests against the government of the Philippines. Or any other country for that matter. </p>
<p>I do feel that people should be able to discuss ongoing events and topics. As long as they are not trying to instigate trouble. Unfortunatley Rusty you are incorrect Filipinos to not really have freedom of speach either. Ask the families of reporters and local activists who have been salvaged or have just disappeared. Who did it? I don&#8217;t know but a number of these have been in the paper and even the international community has noticed as evidenced by the low ratings given to the Philippines in several recent international ratings lists.</p>
<p>The Philippines has a creative and industrious population. With good guidance they could be the leading country in Asia. Indeed they once were. Hopefully they will someday have the vision to make it true again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike glad your here and hope you visit often.

You are free to think whatever you like.  When you share that thought with others you set yourself up for problems.  If you make someone mad, they may point to your message to get you tossed right out.  I don&#039;t know how effective it would be since you didn&#039;t mention a particular government official.  That can cause severe sanctions on you.  the law is there, in part, because of the issues between Muslim and Christians in the Southern Philippines.

I think the law is there to help prevent others from coming into the country and fanning the fires.  I&#039;m all for that myself.  The Filipino has freedom of speech, we expats do not.

I think it best to let the Philippine people sort this out themselves, they don&#039;t want our opinion and they know there are problems, they know far better than you or I.

Some of the things I see as a problem though, most Filipino don&#039;t..  I wont say what though.  :) 

I wonder how we&#039;d feel about &quot;outsiders&quot; coming into the US and telling us things about our country.  (Not sure where your from but you can substitue home country for US).  Heck the Canadians do it and they don&#039;t even come to the country to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike glad your here and hope you visit often.</p>
<p>You are free to think whatever you like.  When you share that thought with others you set yourself up for problems.  If you make someone mad, they may point to your message to get you tossed right out.  I don&#8217;t know how effective it would be since you didn&#8217;t mention a particular government official.  That can cause severe sanctions on you.  the law is there, in part, because of the issues between Muslim and Christians in the Southern Philippines.</p>
<p>I think the law is there to help prevent others from coming into the country and fanning the fires.  I&#8217;m all for that myself.  The Filipino has freedom of speech, we expats do not.</p>
<p>I think it best to let the Philippine people sort this out themselves, they don&#8217;t want our opinion and they know there are problems, they know far better than you or I.</p>
<p>Some of the things I see as a problem though, most Filipino don&#8217;t..  I wont say what though.  <img src='http://heyjoe.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I wonder how we&#8217;d feel about &#8220;outsiders&#8221; coming into the US and telling us things about our country.  (Not sure where your from but you can substitue home country for US).  Heck the Canadians do it and they don&#8217;t even come to the country to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say things about the Philippines. Its a beautiful country, lovely friendly people. I was a project manager In saudi Arabia and mployed nearly 400 Pinoys, from Professionals to the lowely labourer. They were all wonderful and after a 2year contract I got to know them well. Thats why I am living here now. I love the Philippines!!
Philippinos have so much to offer, hard working, entertaining,hospitable, highly skilled, innovative and probably the Philippines has the potential to be the top Asian country if it were not for &quot;politics&quot;, corruption which is now endemic. Please, let the Philippines find a leader that has the people in their hearts, a leader that cares and is prepared to do the best for their country and the people. I hope this is not a dream, too many powerful family dynasties rule and control local provinces. This is what happened in many European countries centuries ago, but eventually the people won their fight for a true decromacy. I love the Philippines, I love the people, I just want the Philippines to become the country of Asia. Hope I dont get arrested for expressing freedom of thought. I have only the people at heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say things about the Philippines. Its a beautiful country, lovely friendly people. I was a project manager In saudi Arabia and mployed nearly 400 Pinoys, from Professionals to the lowely labourer. They were all wonderful and after a 2year contract I got to know them well. Thats why I am living here now. I love the Philippines!!<br />
Philippinos have so much to offer, hard working, entertaining,hospitable, highly skilled, innovative and probably the Philippines has the potential to be the top Asian country if it were not for &#8220;politics&#8221;, corruption which is now endemic. Please, let the Philippines find a leader that has the people in their hearts, a leader that cares and is prepared to do the best for their country and the people. I hope this is not a dream, too many powerful family dynasties rule and control local provinces. This is what happened in many European countries centuries ago, but eventually the people won their fight for a true decromacy. I love the Philippines, I love the people, I just want the Philippines to become the country of Asia. Hope I dont get arrested for expressing freedom of thought. I have only the people at heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to the French Bakery, probably where I should eat but I don&#039;t like things that are good for me. LOL  I laugh but I&#039;m afraid it is true.

I don&#039;t make it a point to hang out at expat hangouts, I do my best to hang out and Filipino hangouts. :)

Oddly though, I&#039;ve had more coffee from starbucks since I got here than I ever did in the states.

First place I ate when I got here was McDonalds.  I guess I was slow to explore. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to the French Bakery, probably where I should eat but I don&#8217;t like things that are good for me. LOL  I laugh but I&#8217;m afraid it is true.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t make it a point to hang out at expat hangouts, I do my best to hang out and Filipino hangouts. <img src='http://heyjoe.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oddly though, I&#8217;ve had more coffee from starbucks since I got here than I ever did in the states.</p>
<p>First place I ate when I got here was McDonalds.  I guess I was slow to explore. LOL</p>
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